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AKB48 · Jul 23, 2008, 11:09 PM // 23:09

I completely agree, since if you're a r5 or lower, it is impossible to get into a good HA group, much the less to win a few matches to get some balth points.

A11Eur0 · Jul 23, 2008, 11:28 PM // 23:28

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Originally Posted by Bulletdodger

People like them , who are ambitious , who fanatically take on every thing they like ( like those pro GvG-ers ) , when they " wake up " , are gonna be executives in major companies , bigshot politicians. They have will , and where there is will , there is a mean , tomorrow , a kid like this is gonna be your boss . I know many great video game players who were laughed at , but now they get more respect than those who made fun of them.
The greatest people in history were dreamers who were seen as dumb people who waste their life.
To bad I don't have that much ambition ( or a HA rank

).

holy comma usage batman.

And no...they'll never be my boss. Because they'll never make it in my career field. It takes more than ambition and willpower...

Do you have names of said "great video game players" who get all the respect you say?

Those "dreamers" did more than play video games all day long. They didn't use, they didn't play...they created. These game PLAYERS aren't "creating" anything but more welfare dependencies where my taxes have to pay for their pork 'n' beans.

Tyla · Jul 23, 2008, 11:39 PM // 23:39

I thought you can get paid for merely testing games?

Stockholm · Jul 23, 2008, 11:44 PM // 23:44

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Originally Posted by Tyla

I thought you can get paid for merely testing games?

Too many gamers that are willing to do the "testing" for free.
It was diffrent back in the day's when a "top" computer was something few people could afford.

Snow Bunny · Jul 23, 2008, 11:44 PM // 23:44

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Originally Posted by Bulletdodger

like those pro GvG-ers are gonna be executives in major companies , bigshot politicians. They have will , and where there is will , there is a mean , tomorrow , a kid like this is gonna be your boss .

No, they're really not. Unless you're at the top (Best in the world) at what you do video-games wise, and it's a game that people care about, you're not going to make a career out of it.

Sai Rith · Jul 24, 2008, 01:44 AM // 01:44

So this topic went from HA Rank to GvGers to predicting the life of pro-GvGers? Pretty sure you can't say what they will do in life. What if they are actually smart and in college (look on QQ forums, many "pros" in college). It is your word VS theirs and in the end who cares? As long as YOU are succesfull just worry about yourself.

komma · Jul 24, 2008, 01:59 AM // 01:59

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Originally Posted by Tyla

I thought you can get paid for merely testing games?

i had tested dark sector for the last 2 years, unfortunatly it was all focus group testing and was volunteer...oh yea and the game blows

around · Jul 24, 2008, 04:22 AM // 04:22

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

One player. Oh no...I was so wrong.

Fatal1ty, Vo0, etc etc...

The CPL exists for a reason.

A11Eur0 · Jul 24, 2008, 04:43 AM // 04:43

Compare that to the amount of people getting real jobs. Compare that number to the number of kids who want to be "professional gamers". there's only so many spots for those kinds of people, and it's much lower than the number of realistic professions out there. Those players are all solo as well.

And when someone is more famous for their screen name than their real name...that's not really fame. That's more like impressing a child...who are already easily impressed. If you want to be famous for a competitive skill, play baseball, basketball, football. Hell, play ping pong.

around · Jul 24, 2008, 04:52 AM // 04:52

I guess there are a lot of people wanting to be professional footballers as well. Compare that with the number of people getting real jobs...

Regardless of whether YOU think that it's 'not really fame', people are devoting their time to imroving themselves at a particular skill, and are getting rewards and public exposure. All footballers do is 'kick a ball about'. All sprinters do is 'run very fast'. If you put it that way, nothing sounds like an achievement.

Gun Pierson · Jul 24, 2008, 07:54 AM // 07:54

Reality check! Famous soccer players like Ronaldihno etc play at the best European clubs that have complete arenas filled with thousands of people who pay tickets to see the weekly matches. TV networks and big bucks are involved (not a game channel like in Korea). The world championship is showed on TV in countless countries around the world. The whole world knows players like Maradona, Beckham etc. Who knows the top pvp players? Only a small group of insiders.

If you wanne make fame and get a living out of playing GW, you choose the wrong game. Anet is backing out the whole pvp thing since Leipzig.

Sure those players achieved something, they're the best at what they do, but you can't make a decent and steady income out of it like a real job or a career in soccer or another top sport.

If you link that with rank discrimination, pvp is choking itself, there's no future in it. Not enough new blood. Talent doesn't get a chance.

If you wanne make it in the gaming industry, you're better of being a real good developer or designer. Look at Arenanet and especially Blizzard.

Ate of DK · Jul 24, 2008, 08:40 AM // 08:40

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

Compare that to the amount of people getting real jobs. Compare that number to the number of kids who want to be "professional gamers". there's only so many spots for those kinds of people, and it's much lower than the number of realistic professions out there. Those players are all solo as well.

And when someone is more famous for their screen name than their real name...that's not really fame. That's more like impressing a child...who are already easily impressed. If you want to be famous for a competitive skill, play baseball, basketball, football. Hell, play ping pong.

Getting a good real-life job has nothing to do with how well you are at computergames. It's more about intellegence and social communication.

I know people that played 6000+ hours in Guild Wars and finished their University meanwhile earning the title "Master of Sience". I played quite an amount myself and finished my study and are a High-School teacher in History.

Allmost all of my friends never played videogames and all work in a large warehouses working their ass off.

I could go on giving more examples but I think my point is clear allready.

Avarre · Jul 24, 2008, 08:50 AM // 08:50

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

Do you have names of said "great video game players" who get all the respect you say?

Lim Yo Hwan.

But hey, lets throw in a few more figures, shall we?

Lee Yoon Yeol is currently on a US$830,000 3-year contract (expires 2010, his previous contract was US$600,000 over the same period). A few others, in no particular order:

(Name - contract value in USD - duration of contract)

Park, SungJoon - $110,000 - 4.2006-3.2007
Seo, Jihoon - $150,000 - 4.2006-3.2007
Park, Jungsuk - $400,000 - 1.2005-12.2007
Hong, Jinho - $330,000 - 4.2004-3.2007
Kang, Min - $330,000 - 4.2004-3.2007
Choi, Yunsung - $450,000 - 4.2005-3.2008
Park, Yongwook - $300,000 - 4.2005-3.2008
Park, Taemin - $300,000 - 4.2005-3.2008

There are numerous players, of which I can name several, that have newly signed contracts in the range of the above.

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And when someone is more famous for their screen name than their real name...that's not really fame.

StarCraft players are all known by their real names; some of these are household names. Screen names are only really used by foreign community members for ease of identification.

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Those players are all solo as well.

There are twelve professional SC teams (which included dedicated 2v2 players) in Korea, and some funded other ones in other countries.

Among teams, the managers/coaching staff of some are slowly being replaced by the retired professional players.

I guess what I'm trying to get at is, you have no clue of what you're trying to talk about. And unless this thread starts having a clue (and going back to topic), it will be closed.

Gun Pierson · Jul 24, 2008, 09:29 AM // 09:29

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Originally Posted by Avarre

There are twelve professional SC teams in Korea

- 12 pro teams
- Starcraft
- South Korea
- tv broadcast in one small region of the world
- local star players

Now compare that with:
- Guild Wars
- USA, Europe and some other parts of the world

And now compare the above two with:
- Hundreds professional soccer teams and competitions with sub leaugues
- almost the whole world
- broadcast in many countries
- world famous stars

http://www.epltalk.com/top-money-earners/1843 (NBA, baseball and motor sport are in there too btw)

I've read an article somewhere about the earnings of good programmers and developers and I remember some easely made 7500 euro a month. That's 90 000 euro a year.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_m...rogrammer_earn

from wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_programmer

'Results of a 2007 survey indicate that the average salary for a game programmer is USD$83,383 annually. The least experienced programmers (with less than 3 years experience) generally earn about $57,665, while developers with over six years experience on average earn $94,525.[1]

Generally, lead programmers are the most well compensated, though some 3D graphics programmers may challenge or surpass their salaries. According to the same survey above, lead programmers on average earn $103,409 annually'

Will a pro gamer still be a pro at the age of 30-40? A good dev will have increased his earnings through his years of experience at that age.

I hate to break your bubbles guys, but you should know the pvp adventure in this game doesn't really have a future and you can't make a living out of it. Rank discrimination fits somewhere in the whole picture like I posted earlier on this page.

Frank Dudenstein · Jul 24, 2008, 10:19 AM // 10:19

It's kind of funny how every rank discrimination thread follows the exact same pattern:

Stage 1: Indignation

I want to join high rank groups and they won't let me in!

Sorry, you are not good enough.

But I'm just as good as them!

Stage 2: Realization

No, actually, you aren't. They took it seriously, they practiced, they are good. You did not, therefore, you are not. Don't take it personally.

Stage 3: Ego Massage

Yeah, well they're all a bunch of no-life losers that will never make as much money me.

And your point is?

Gun Pierson · Jul 24, 2008, 10:36 AM // 10:36

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Originally Posted by Frank Dudenstein

Stage 3: Ego Massage

Yeah, well they're all a bunch of no life losers that will never make as much money me.

And your point is?

I don't know if your post was directed at me but my point is they can do with their life whatever they want. I have already enough with mine. I hope though they don't take this game too seriously and at the same time waste opportunities. That's all.

Much respect to the best players and their dedication and skills.

Avarre · Jul 24, 2008, 10:47 AM // 10:47

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

I hate to break your bubbles guys, but you should know the pvp adventure in this game doesn't really have a future and you can't make a living out of it. Rank discrimination fits somewhere in the whole picture like I posted earlier on this page.

Obviously in this game, since the possibility of the game lasting very much longer is nil. With increasing interest in e-sports, it would be possible if the game became big enough.

The success of esports in some areas is proof enough at the fact it is sustainable. Once the industry reaches a certain mass, a lot of other avenues open up, which need experienced players: commentators, managers, coaches if it gets that major, and so on.

The fact that this has not been developed is another issue altogether.

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If you link that with rank discrimination, pvp is choking itself, there's no future in it. Not enough new blood. Talent doesn't get a chance.

I do not believe in the slightest that rank discrimination is the major factor to limiting new players from joining PvP. It contributes, sure, but there are much greater issues like uax, a gigantic learning curve, and the team-play format which makes it difficult to simply play the game.

The Arching Healer · Jul 24, 2008, 11:02 AM // 11:02

Now now but I will care about rank when I reach r9. I'm r6 now

Erkki · Jul 24, 2008, 11:38 AM // 11:38

Meh PvP ranks, who cares.

Sai Rith · Jul 24, 2008, 11:46 AM // 11:46

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Originally Posted by Erkki

Meh PvP ranks, who cares.

The people looking for Ranked players in HA?